Friday, October 30, 2020


Despite the BDO being as good as dead, since Des the liar lost over three quarters of a million of their money, alienated the players and the counties, there is no sign of him ceasing to be the thick stupid cunt he has always been,
This week he was back to his usual threats, this time on current Masters champion John O Shea. The key word is "current".
Des the liar wants the trophy back and wants it sent to his own home. That aint happening.
Below is the letter Des sent John, and some of the responses.



First off when John won the Masters he was not presented officially with the trophy, in fact he got some manky poundshop looking piece of tat. That should be the piece of shit he should send back, after Des sends him the postage fare, why should John pay for it.



Here is another thing, John only got the official trophy far later in Kilarney, so John does not have the trophy a year, and , secondly it is not the property of Des, personally I think John should tell him to go fuck himself. His English law aint worth a fuck over here, Des would have to go through the Irish legal system, and that does not come cheap. In fact the fees are probably worth more than the trophy's worth. how much is the trophy worth ? How much does sentimentality and history add to its value ?
Des could go to small claims court, but that would mean he values the trophy for pittance.  Another thing the orange scumbag seems to have no clue about is, after he sent the letter to John O 'Shea, John has 28 days to reply,the 28 days are not up, so his threat that is be returned by today the 30th only serves to show how this little orange shit has not got a blessed clue. And when exactly did he sign this contract in Kilarney, since it was only on that date he got the original trophy. Des cannot just sue right away, can he and his bdo even afford a solicitor these days ? One thing we do know is it is not the property of Des the liar, and if the BDO does have some legal claim, is it belonging to the BDO or the BDO enterprises that are in liquidation ?
I think John should let me "mind it" for him, which brings me to this which I thought was brilliant.


Even John got in on the act when he sent me this when we spoke.



Tell me Des, since we are on the topic of returning things, what about the 40k you promised to the counties who remained loyal to the BDO ? Did you give that money back to the counties ?


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Last week Jamie Lewis averaged 57 in his hammering which led to people discussing it and some slating how shit it was, which then saw Paul Nicholson come to the "defense" of Lewis.

“If I know anyone who gives @jamiedarts180 any criticism for yesterday, they will answer to me.
What he needs right now is support. He is a human being and deserves our friendship, our guidance and our counsel. 🎯”


Laughing at this "answer to me". This is the cunt who had made his twitter private because people hurt his feelings and the human pipe cleaner thinks he is some hard man. I have no issue with Jamies Lewis but what is Nicholson going to do if people mock Jamie Lewis ? Put on his sunglasses and quote some faggy wrestler ? What a fucking asshole. This is the guy that was made cry by Phil Taylor, and now he thinks he is a tough guy who can sort people out. I have facecloths tougher than this cunt.

Seemingly Franz Roetzsch, Siepmann, and every single German player would not be playing darts were it not for Max Hopp according to Nicholson. He thinks every single German player, even those older than Hopp were all "inspired" by him. These players are only progressing because of the "impact" of Hopp.
Why does a German lad playing darts have to be inspired by anyone ? I know people that throw darts in the pub and never heard of most PDC players and could not name a single BDO player.Players don't have to be inspired by any one single player and even if a young player from Germany was inspired by another player on TV why does it have to be a player from the very same country ?
By Nicholson's logic every Scottish player must be inspired by a Scottish player only, ever Irish player inspired by an Irish player. Why cant a German player be inspired by Dutch MVG and English Taylor etc. The stupid cunt would have you believe the game was only invented after Hopp played on TV in the PDC, despite the game being huge in Germany long before that, when thousands would travel to London for the world Championships. And how could players years older than Hopp , playing darts longer than Hopp be inspired by a player who started after they started playing.

I am sick of the cunts on comms rimming their favorite players in their little clique, and make no mistake Max Hopp is another of these over rated cunts rimmed by the same people who lick the hole of Durrant, Devon Peterson etc.

By the time Hopp arrived on the Oche in his match against De Sousa, Nicholson was creaming himself. Hopp led 3-0 in legs averaging 123 , I thought Nicholson would explode. What comms will never tell you is the truth why Hopp is as high in the rankings as he is. Its an inflated rating due to the fact so many Euro Tours are held in Germany and he wins the home qualifiers with ease, hence earning money he would not be earning if those tours were held outside of Germany. How many qualifiers would Hopp get through if he was in the UK qualifiers ? I bet it would be far less. In fact Hopp is not even the german #1 now after the euro tour. Hopp took out a 148, and Nicholson went full on spaz mode. Hopp eventually won 6-3 with a 98 average, but listening to Nicholson you swear Hopp did something special like he came back from Pluto with the cure for cancer. If he finished with a 98, and was 123 average after 3 legs, it shows how much it dropped as the game went on. Nothing will change my mind that he is vastly overrated and has reaped the advantages of the Euro tour.

Elsewhere in this comp from the Saturday on, was the performance by Ross Smith who followed his win on the Friday night with a 112 average, by coming from 4-0 down against Vermin Price to win 6-5. Ross is like the opposite of Ian Shite. He is shit on the floor but is better on the TV, and has wins over MVG and a heap of the top players, and unlike Ian Shite, Dave Dismal and Bellyboy, does not roll over when he goes behind.

Ian Shite is so shit on tv even Jesus turned up this week to beat him in front of a camera. The fact that there was a camera there meant Jesus was "nailed on" for the win. Jesus did not have to worry about Cross, as Cross was sent packing early on the Saturday, which I liked, as the sight of him stinking up my tv on the Sunday did not appeal to me. So Jesus was now in to the Sunday, which nobody expected so he had to go back to the hotel. He gave them 3 nails and asked if they could "put him up for the night". I was also glad to see the miserable Gurney get turfed out. As for hunchback, he again got the easiest draws as usual, drew Razma who is not well in the head and a complete jobber, Hunch on the Sunday afternoon drew Andy Hamilton, and useless cunt and Hunchback was lucky to even win that 6-5,
Wade got revenge on Chavspinall for his defeat in the same round from the week previous. Ratajski and the German Roetzsch was a belter of a game with the first 5 legs all 12 or 11 darters. Mensur was 5-0 up on Mongo Hughes, and if Hughes cannot beat Mensur when he was 5-0 up, he certainly would not win when he was 5-0 down. Mensur owns him. Enjoyed seeing Ross Smith sending Max Hopp packing, and shut Nicholson up, the guy is nauseating listening to him kiss the arse of over rated Hopp, and this despite Ross missing multiple match darts.Also Clemens has now overtaken Hopp as the German #1.
In the first leg of Chizzy versus Cullen, Chizzy after 9 darts was still on 407, then hits a max and still won the leg. It was to be his only leg as he lost the next 6 on the trot. So White and Chizzy were out, only Bellyboy left to complete the trio. Bellyboy was like Herod, he was unmerciful on Jesus, and there was to be no miracle for Jesus either as he was crucified 6-1.
In the quarters Wade played Hunchback and througout the first 3 legs the crowd kept shouting and screaming when Wade threw, and eventually Russ Bray had to call them up. Any shit form MVG had in the earlier rounds was long gone, as he beat Wade with ease.It was the hunchback cunts first ton plus average in a dozen games.
Ratajski was involved in another 6-5 thriller.This time the Pole missed 5 match darts, not helped by the same scumbag that booed Wade booing and shouting out when Ratajski was throwing. By the time Mensur bust nine going for single one and hitting the 18, the crowd started shouting when Mensur was throwing. Assholes.
Cullen won a great game against Ross Smith. Smith will be well happy with the weekend as he not only picked up £5k, but qualified for the European champs, assuring himself of another £6k minimum. Prior to Friday he was not in the European champs, so a handy 11k minimum for a couple of wins this weekend. Bellyboy made short work Marc Almond Noppert.

The first semi saw the dutch prick survive 4 match darts against Mensur and win with a pathetic 88 average. The crowd were still a disgrace.The hunchback prick fell over the line for yet another game, his third jammy win of the weekend, only his win over Wade looked decent..

In the second semi we had 2 players who never won a single major in their careers, in fact the biggest wins either of them ever got was a win on this euro tour. Bellyboy was sent packing, it would not be a proper comp without the exit of the three stooges of Smith, Chizzy and White.

Was absolutely delighted to see the horrible dutch cunt lose in a final for the second time in 8 days. What made it even better was that Cullen won which will piss off so many mushroom, who have never got over hoe Joe Cullen mocked the BDO a couple of years back on the euro tour. One particular mushroom with an over abundance of chromosomes and a clubfoot will be weeping his eyes out in his lonely bed tonight. The last time he was this upset was when the price of crayons went up in the budget.

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Thursday saw the start of the Europeans championships on ITV4, with 16 matches in one bumper session cos they were only best of 11, which could set up some shock results.
First up were Chizzy and Hughes who combined have an IQ of 7. The adverts after 5 legs was irritating as fuck, it would not be so bad if it was not the fact ITV 4 who love to peddle the adverts where its always tortured puppies, battered donkey's, starving kids, or people with disabilities, all tugging at peoples heart strings to mug them of their cash. The very first ad was about buying something to help a cats home, the last one about sponsoring a child. With ads, before the match, half way through the match, and after the match for all 16 matches, you can imagine how irritating they would get.On PDC tv you are spared all that. Comms went on and on and on about who was #1 seed and others players seedings, as is that mattered a fuck in this comp. Cullen was #1 seed, did anyone seriously think he would make the semis, let alone win it ?
As for Chizzy and Hughes, it was boring as fuck, with the last leg was the only decent leg of the match which saw 3 maximums, and Mongo Hughes win it with an 11 darter after Chizzy missed the bull, typical Chizzy, who was the better player throughout, until the last leg.
Ratajski against West followed and was a better match, with the Pole averaging 99 and trailing 3-2 at the break after missing crucial doubles, and  missed more doubles to lead 4-3, and was chasing from then onwards, this too went to a last leg decider which West won on throw for the win, despite averaging 5 points less, and about 10 less for most of the match. It was a decent watch. Merv King against Ian Shite was the 3rd match, and tells you how shit Merv was when Ian White won in front of a camera. It was over quick which I suspect suited ITV with the first 2 matches going all 11 legs.
Jose against "youth player"Jeffrey de Zwaan looked good on paper, and prior to it starting Chris Mascum was boasting how he could beat John Rawling in a fight. This is the mindset of this ex con scumbag. He is almost 51 years old and acts like some council estate 14 year old with stunted mentality. Maybe he is still seething at all these players playing for a 120k first prize, we all know how he thinks most are not fit to lick his boots, and the fact the useless cunt never won a thing in darts bar Knob of the Week and the 2003 HMP Wandsworth Invitational must make him very bitter. As for the match Jose in leg 2 hit a sweet nine darter, and built it up too when he paused for a bit on the double 12. It was one way traffic. Jose is a play I enjoy watching.
Wade against Lennon was what I expected, with Wade solid and scoring strong in some legs, woeful in others, and Lennon erattic as fuck also. Typically it also went to a last leg decider after wade missed the bull to win 6-4.  So a last leg with Wade with the throw. The Wade of 2007- 2012 would have romped home in a game like this, but this is not the same player these day, and he is falling over the line these day. Listening to comms kiss the arse of Devon whilst he plays the slow as fuck Andy Hamilton whilst he is constantly sticking his fingers in his mouth, was not what I wanted to see or hear, and despite it being dark and wet, I had planned the dogs second walk for this time. At least it did not go too long for those who had to suffer it, and got back in time to see Ross Smith go 3 -0 up on Bellyboy, but Bellyboy did start to wake up as Ross kept struggling, and when the fat cunt broke to make it 4-4 there was only one outcome. Neither deserved to win it. I knew the fat cunt was a stroppy bastard but expected more from Ross.
Dirk made light work of Marc Almond Noppert, say hello, wave goodbye Noppy, and Aspinall romped home 6-1 against Kuivenhoven, which no doubt suited ITV.
Cullen was on next against Willie O Connor. Cullen was shocking, and Willie who only got in to the comp due to Virus spreader Durrant being forced out of the comp, dumps out the #1. As I said earlier, showed how earlier when the comms were praising Joe for being the #1 seed, it meant fuckall. It is not like Willie even played well, as he won with a 88 average.
Kleermaker took on Rob Dross next, I like Kleermaker for his stance on scumbag des and the pathetic bdo, but he is still a euro jobber, and Cross bores me senseless, he is as exciting as Durrant, only more talented. The reigning champion followed the #1 seed in being turfed out. it moved the Dutch player up 7 spots to #73 in the OoM.
Clayton was up against Hopp, was a decent enough standard but I could not give a fiddlers fuck about either, only good thing was it went 6-5 and made the likes of Hunchback, Vermin, Krusty and the miserable cunt gurney wait even longer for their games. ITV or the PDC or whoever decided the format should have started this at 1pm instead of 3pm.
MVG got his usual piss easy draw against some euro jobber, this time Darius. The blondie wench on ITV tried to tell us this was "an intriguing match"....was it fuck!. Alan Warriner told us Darius was Lithuania's #1, which is hardly surprising.Its not like the Order of merit is packed full of Lithuanians, like a truck trying to get across customs. To his credit Darius played well but missed a couple of crucial doubles, but that was it as the Hunchback hauled his fordham-like arse over the winning line.
The great thing about the next game between 2 absolute cunts was that one was going to lose, but sadly one was going through to the next round. Remember when the Belgian Orphan Huybrechts use to fist pump and roar on stage ? Now its fitting we have a welsh manlet roar and scream in his face now while the orphan gets fucked by a bloke quicker than Noppert at a gay pride event.
Krusty was next up against Clemens, the now German #1 after he took over from Hopp.Krusty pulled out of the World Cup in Austria due to the Corona virus, but did not pull out of this event in Germany, because this was ranking, tells you all you need to know how important the mickey mouse world Cup is. In fact the only thing good about it is the fact the finalists get a Grand Slam spot, and since Krusty had one of them why would he bother with the World Cup. The match was a quality affair as I expected, with Krusty winning 6-3. It was almost 11 o clock by the time the miserable cunt Gurney and Mensur took to the oche.
Was wonderful to see Gurney sent packing with his scabby 81 average, next month he is defending 100k from his 2018 players championships finals. Wade lost his 100k for this comp so Wade was now down to 11th, but a win against Aspinall on the Friday would see him go back tenth above Dimitri. Gurney would drop outside the top ten, but then Ando is defending 55k in the Grand Slam which could put him outside the top ten, and push those in 11th and 12th back higher.
Gerwyn Price is defending a 100k in the slam and anything less than a win could see him drop to #3 again below Krusty.
With a 120k for this event, 6 figure first prizes in the slam, and players champs, and the winter series to come it could be very interesting in the OoM.
Chris Mascum told us MVG was in the top 2 players in the World.....I suspect the ex con  thinks only Taylor is above him, In my opinion MVG would not "lick the boots" of Bristow, you know the guy who won 5 world titles in a unified field, playing on boards with smaller trebles, thicker wire, boards with staples. Hunchback only won 3 world titles, the same number john Lowe won. I know tv comms like to hype the shit out of people in their presentation of the game, but lets not kid ourselves, Taylor made MVG cry like a bitch on TV, Bristow would have mentally fucked him up for life.


By the time the day was over,there was a 9 darter, the #1 seed was out, the reigning champ was out, finishes of 170, 164 and a good few ton plus averages, but it just felt flat, mainly due to the inclusion of a heap of jobbers, so called top players like Wade falling over the line, Chizzy doing his usual choke, adverts in the middle of the game, and of course having one long session. There are pros and cons to the short format of the first round, but would rather see this start Wednesday, and have it best of 15, with 8 matches Wednesday, and 8 on Thursday. Nothing on the Thursday seemed any different to your average euro tour, despite being told this is a tv major, which it clearly isn't in my opinion, its a secondary title.

The second round started earlier today and now was best of 19, first up was Willie O Connor against Mongo Hughes, and Hughes was just awful, he played like he was still in the BDO, in one leg on his throw he got broken, whilst he had over 200 left. By the time he was 8-2 up there was no chance he would blow it. Willy now up to 35th, and already pocketed 20k in an event he is only in due to Virus Spreader being forced out. Not the first time this year in a tv event a replacement player has gone on a run, as Whitlock did it in the Grand Prix.
In the next game we had the sickening non stop arse kissing of Devon, and whilst I have no problem with Devon himself I was hoping he would go out just so I would not have to listen to the any more sucking up. I was surprised Kleermaker led 4-1 at the break despite Devon averaging over 10 points more. That could not continue and sure enough by the next break Devon had won 5 on the trot to lead 6-4 and there looked to be only one winner and sure enough.
De Sousa and Clayton looked on paper at least a great game as Jose is always a good watch, but this was a slow start, Jose trailed at the first break and spent the match chasing Clayton  and could not get the break back, and when Clayton broke to go 9-6 up that was it.
Wade met Aspinall for the 3rd time in 3 weeks. Last Saturday wade won on the Euro tour, getting revenge for Aspinall's win on the Euro tour the week before. It was a decent standard, where Wade missed chances to win by more, but also Aspinall missed a rake of doubles where he could have won it, enjoyable match and I got the quarter final I wanted as Wade against Willy meant one of them 2 players I like was in the semi final.


Wade then upset a load of snowflakes across social media with his post match comments about "flash harrys". What all those crying failed to comprehend in since Wade joined the PDC and got in the top 10, he has stayed in the top 10 bar a few weeks, for 13 years, so he more than anyone in the PDC can speak about consistency, the only people who were longer in the top ten than him are all gone like Taylor.
Would Dirk have reached a final in normal settings ? Would Dimitri have won the Matchplay in front of the winter gardens crowd with all that heat ? Would Durrant have handled the final stage pressure of the Premier League in packed arenas ? We will never know but why is it wrong for a player to have an opinion on the subject, especially a player that has won multiple majors. The night before MVG said "I haven't been playing that well but nobody is stepping up and I reached two finals, so if it keeps going this way and I play better no problems" . You could argue that Dimitri stepped up, and the players that beat him in both Euro tour finals stepped up also. Where were the people crying about his comments.

You can say Wade and MVG come across as cunts, which is true, but as top players with multiple majors they are in a position to make such claims, Wade is not close to the player he was a decade ago, and yet he is still in the top 10, what does that then tell you ? Wade also claimed the standard is not as good, and again, an opinion he is entitled to give. Wade himself said he was only taking things seriously recently, showing that in cruise control he was top ten, That says more about those unable to overtake him. MVG has the belief if he plays well no one will beat him, even I who hate the cunt know he is the best player in darts when on form, Peter Wright also thinks no one can beat him if he plays like he can, as does Price, even Wade thinks it. Fucks sake even Merv King has an A-game in his head that can beat anyone. I don't mind this, this is what drives players, and in the cases of the elite players, it is that mentality that has helped them win majors.

If the players have an issue with Wade or MVG, then let them do something about it, let Dimitri, Durrant and others prove them wrong and win more titles, and if the fail, it shows Wade and MVG were right. Another thing people seem to forget was Wade is not only a multiple TV title winner,and a top ten player, but last year he got to the semi finals of the Premier League, and he was left out of this years one. You would think reaching the semi of the PL would warrant you getting another go ? Yet Durrant who was not in the top ten, with zero pdc tv titles got in, how was that right ?  We saw year after year how certain top ten players were left out of the PL to make room for players unworthy and undeserving, like Barney for example, how many years did that prick get invite after invite. Then you have simpletons call the PL a major when a top ten player and one of the most successful players in the history of the PDC is left out, is it any wonder Wade has an opinion on things. In today's world of Darts with the DRA Nazi Party trying to kill of anything newsworthy, it is refreshing when a player like MVG or Wade cause controversy, it gets people talking which is a good thing.


Evening session kicked off with Dirk against Bellyboy and Dirk raced out of the block with a 3-0 led , averaging well over 105, then he collapsed, and lost the next 6 legs, but did manage to break smiths throw before the adverts to trail 6-4. Credit to Dirk who battled and got it back to 8-8, and with Smith given a chance to break hit 17 going for 3 and bust, Dirk returned to go 9-8 up and sure enough the vastly over rated fat cunt was gone as Dirk broke again to claim the win. This is why Smith, Chisnall and White are the new Jenkins, Baxter and Mason.Not a single major trophy between the lot and doubt they will ever win one.
Next up we had Vermin against Krusty, and was hoping for a Krusty win, and started well with Wright leading 3-2 at the break both averaging around 98. The next session saw the standard improve dramatically. and Price missed a dart to trail only 6-4 but Wright punished him. This was awesome stuff with Wright averaging 108 to Vermin's 106. Wright averaged 120 for that session alone. When Wright won the first leg of the next session I thought the welsh oompa loompa's head was gonna explode he was so red, it looked like it was as good as over but Vermin did pull out a nice 148 checkout, and followed it with a 127 finish on the bull, to make it 9-5 and held for another leg to trail 9-6 and even had a chance to break after Wright missed 3 darts at tops for the match, but it mattered not as Wright won a game he was the superior player in. Maybe now the little taffy maggot might put a lid on his lip about being the best in the world. Glad he was out. If only Ian Shite could beat MVG next........so imagine my shock when Ian Shite led 5-0 at the first break. MVG did win the second session 3-2 to make it 7-3, White hit a crucial double to make it 8-4, and I felt had MVG broke then the comeback was on, and at 9-4 not even Ian Shite could choke that much and lose from there. To be fair White totally deserved the win,and it was not like he beat a hunchback averaging in the 80s, MVG was averaging well over the ton too.It was another fantastic day of results that saw players I like win, players like Wade, the Magpie and Dirk, and seeing the pricks of Hunchback and Vermin turfed out.
Last game up for the day was one for the purists, as Mensur took on Steve West., and after the first session West led 4-1 and Mensur threw utter shit, think I will start calling him Manure Suljovic. By the time West who played decent led 7-3 at the end of the second session it started to look like it was all over, but West's game died,and Manure came close to leveling but it became a shit game after that, despite what was on the line. Manure broke in the 16th leg to make it 8-8 and he had the throw...looked like Suljovic's to win but West broke back with a 12 darter and he was throwing for the match.
Sure enough Mensur broke and made it 9-9 and then he was throwing for the match. It was only then I really had any major interest in this game where I did not care who won.It was a decent end with Suljovic leaving tops, but west took out 106 for the win, with 20, treble 18, double 16.
In his post match interview the deluded cunt claimed he is a better player than Ratajski and Mensur and they were only better cos they got the luck. What a fucking spaz. Then claimed if he won the comp he would retire.  He could get his teeth fixed. Oops better be careful in case he threatens me next, we know what he is like for threats.

So we have a last 8 of 

O'Connor/Wade against White/Peterson
Krusty/West against Dirk/Clayton.
 
Would onviously like Wade, dirk or Willy to win it, and would not begrudge Krusty or even Clayton, but just not West, as for Devon, I dont mind the lad, but the thought of having to listen to the comms if he won it would be too much...fuck that.. Been a belting comp so far.
 
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Saw this from Deta earlier in the week

 The DRA Nazi party this week decided to suspend cheating cunt Hijman for 5 years, half of it suspended. Personally I have no sympathy for the cunt. This brings up the issue of Golum McKinstry, who has denied the charges, so you would imagine it is then up to the DRA to prove his guilt, not McKinstry to prove his innocence.  These arseholes give out fines on a whim, with no framework as to who gets what and why.
If McKinisrty is guilty and proven to be guilty after claiming innocence then I think they will throw the book at him, and rightly so, but if they cannot prove he is guilty, then he is innocent, that is how the law should work, but I dont trust the DRA Nazi Party. I have seen people complain that "but he never handed over his phone"...why should he, unless there is a warrant i would not hand it over either, its up to the DRA to prove guilt, not the player to prove innocence.
Lets not forget  this is the DRA Nazi party who in the past fined a player for not playing to his ability.What kind of shit is that, that player should have sued the cunts.

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Lastly saw this

hardly surprising, that said I actually like Warriner as a pundit more than I liked the shit as a player, I wish sky would take him and fuck out Mardle.  Warriner is one of those players I actually like on comms like Harrington, and even Manley was good at it. ...even Jaws too. Sadly Devon, Thunder Thighs Turner, Nicholson and Mardle are absolute torture.


I remember when Wayne Mardle once joined a dart forum thinking he was something special and i and others ripped into him, and he claimed he has "more money than ye". He was not the first player to go down that route when he got told a few home truths, another was the Cyclops Jamie Cave-In, the asshole who when I asked why he get smiling as he was getting raped by MBG he had his feelings hurt, and boasted how much he had won, how he had more than me and even challenged me to a game of darts, as if somehow him beating me would cease to make him a stupid cunt, choking bastard and pathetic excuse of a player.

The guy who made so much , then tumbled down the rankings, lost his tourcard and was stinking up youth halls before the bdo went tits up. The guy who boasted about his income is now reduced to working for the PDPA., which is a useless org anyway, since where are they when the DRA Nazi party goosesteps all over players ?
Where is the PDPA to help them players with legal costs ?
Its grand for Price, MVG etc who earn big bucks, but what do they do for the lower players when the DRA run amok.